last night i played oa with MIOW and Integer, it was fun ye BUT after some ql its not hard to hit with unlagged. It feels like the hitboxes are much bigger...you hit almost every shot.
In ql lg-fights are really hard to do, in oa its just: "who shoots first". The gameplay is not balanced, unagged weapons are way too overpowered(RG,MG,LG, ok...sg not )
With some(a little) training ppl will get used to cpma and the games will be better.

a_clown :o)

EDIT: agreed Strzelba, 5-6 maps is perfect, you can learn 6 new maps for this league, but learn 16 new maps?

Also Unlagged seems to be better for Europe vs America matches.

But it seems much better to play cpma, because cheatlagged destroys the gameplay. With xbattle we will have ultraoverpowered LG,RG,MG and other features are missing, CPMA is much better.
ChallengeQ3 is an opensource q3 client wich removes bugs: CHANGELOG AND a mode, but we can play CQ3 i dont see any problem

a_clown :o)

EDIT: tested CQ3 on [Z]VQ3 Tourney, cpm-like hitsound \o/ and it works great for me

I just got to this site through the link placed on our [CZ] clan forums. Firstly, i would like to express my impression of all this nice professional work.

And now ad some points of discussion:

+1 CPMA, VQ3
+1 No Spects !
+1 Quake3 maps

About those maps, nice to see so many non-oa maps, mark of quality but i agree with strzelba, there could be 2 or three maps less. For most of oa players thats new stuff, regardless cpma mod and professional league's level.

Yes, this is absolutely right. Unlagged gameplay sux and to kill enemy is so easy, that its getting to be rewardless and unvalued. This is one of reasons why i enjoy more QL than OA, in QL, Life has its price.

About maps I think we should keep some OpenArena maps, because if we play this league it is to promote OpenArena, so if we play all like in Quake III, it hasn't sense, imo.

For other points, I agree with you all, I wait for Grism's opinion to update rules.

Also, most of Q3 CTF leagues refused to switch to CPMA VQ3 since it became too easy to defend with better netcode and continued to use OSP.

so... can anyone give some hints on how to stabilize CPMA + OA ? a_clown mentioned CVARS in autoconfig that might cause trouble ... can you help me there?

Both oa_sago2 and oa_sago2j is displayed on the maplist, I guess both aren't allowed in one match, maybe one should be removed. Oa_bases maps should be removed, it caused some anger in the last leage. Or if not, then oa_bases7 is better than bases3 or bases5.

As I said, I think we should keep some OA maps, to encourage and to promote OpenArena..

For RJ scripts, I want to say "LOL" because this scripts absolutely don't help players. If they don't know to play defrag, a bind to RJ will just disturb them to play well, I don't see problem with that.

Any errors in console when you scroll up? Missing models? Does it happen everytime you connect to a server? Have you tested both [Z] servers?

a_clown

PS:Why i quoted Darkal, quote is buggy

That's an idea I fully support, but why those two? A_clown once said on the OA boards, that if some parts of OA would be omitted, then the whole game got more professional in instant. If the gameplay of bases maps is not that great, then adding a map which is not a great map, but at least a little prettier won't hurt . What about the newer versions of 0.8.5? Cosmo made changes to compromise and inneryard, they got better but maybe still too big. NeonKnight made an OA version of reptctf11, it has proxmines and nailgun, but those can be replaced. Maybe pulchr finishes pul4ctf in time (he's always making great maps). So I don't think OA is needing the oa_bases maps for promotion so badly.