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JonasDate: Tuesday, 2010-03-09, 4:16 PM | Message # 61
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I think the map pool is great.
it is a big choice and thats reason;)
You are not good if you can almost play on 3-4 maps good, you are good if you and your team can play on every map.

@Popejo, it easy to master a map. I am sure, that is no problem. so start the game and dont play every day the same tongue

Message edited by ^H4L-Jonas - Tuesday, 2010-03-09, 4:16 PM
 
MIOWDate: Tuesday, 2010-03-09, 4:59 PM | Message # 62
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Quote (^H4L-Jonas)
You are not good if you can almost play on 3-4 maps good, you are good if you and your team can play on every map.

First of all, noone is talking about 3-4 maps cool

Quote (^H4L-Jonas)
it easy to master a map

Sure, dude biggrin I'm convinced by your argumentation.


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DarkalDate: Wednesday, 2010-03-10, 0:59 AM | Message # 63
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Every one has the same chances here ! I think mappool is good now.
 
JonasDate: Wednesday, 2010-03-10, 2:48 PM | Message # 64
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Quote (^H4L-Jonas)
First of all, noone is talking about 3-4 maps cool

First of all i was not talking to you cool

and

Quote (^H4L-Jonas)
Sure, dude biggrin I'm convinced by your argumentation.

I'm sorry, that's my own opinion. I don't need much time to learn new maps and if you can not, it's not my problem.

I really just wanted to say that the map pool is good now too, thats that what darkal said before wink

 
MIOWDate: Thursday, 2010-03-11, 10:39 AM | Message # 65
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Quote (^H4L-Jonas)
First of all i was not talking to you

Again, noone is talking about 3-4 maps cool

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I'm sorry, that's my own opinion.

I see. I will not argue with you anymore.

______

I want to make it clear, leagues that have few times more clans have less maps in mappool, e.g. 8. One more example - http://quakequickcup.com/?page=maplist (9 maps for CTF). Note, one of leagues I was referring to forces clans to play certain maps on certain weeks, thus all maps are getting played. What is the point to have 21 maps on CTF all weapons mappool?

- not all of those maps will get played, obviously

- it's too many not even to learn, it's too many maps to play. Average OA clan doesn't play more than 2 practice matches per week, 2-3 maps each. Max of 6 maps per week, it will take at least 4 weeks to play all maps single time. To learn map decently you need to play it tens of times (or even hundreds)

- some maps on mappool are not suited for competitions, in fact were avoided in competitions for years. Some of them are even too small for 4v4 matches

- if oasago2 won't be removed or replaced by remake or restricted for often usage, more than a half of matches gonna be played on this map. Makes sense to have 21 maps on mappool then

I suggest to remove following maps from CTF all weapons:

- 13VAST (BUBCTF1)
- AM_MCKINLEYISH2-A2
- BRICKYARD
- MAPEL4B
- MKBASE
- MLCTF1BETA
- OA_REPTCTF3-A3 (this map is not in the stage of being ready for the league, making this one Neon_Knight was consulting with us and implemented many of our suggestions, he told he has no time to finish it now)
- OASAGO2J
- PS37CTF
- PS9CTF
- QUARTZCTF1
- SPEEDYCTF
- Q3WCP4

Add following:

+ MLCTF1 (it's finally released <3)
+ PS37CTF3

After those changes mappool will have 10 maps.

I also have another idea about CTF mappool. It can be based on this mappack http://lvlworld.com/#c=m1&i=2070 to be different from usual Q3 CTF leagues.

Don't forget that mappool can be changed every season.


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DarkalDate: Thursday, 2010-03-11, 11:45 AM | Message # 66
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- it's too many not even to learn, it's too many maps to play. Average OA clan doesn't play more than 2 practice matches per week, 2-3 maps each. Max of 6 maps per week, it will take at least 4 weeks to play all maps single time. To learn map decently you need to play it tens of times (or even hundreds)

Everyone is equal. It will show adaptation skills on maps.

Quote (MIOW)
- some maps on mappool are not suited for competitions, in fact were avoided in competitions for years. Some of them are even too small for 4v4 matches
[...]
I suggest to remove following maps from CTF all weapons:

- 13VAST (BUBCTF1)
- AM_MCKINLEYISH2-A2 (this map is not in the stage of being ready for the league, making this one Neon_Knight was consulting with us and implemented many of our suggestions, he told he has no time to finish it now)
- BRICKYARD
- MAPEL4B
- MKBASE
- MLCTF1BETA
- OA_REPTCTF3-A3
- OASAGO2J
- PS37CTF
- PS9CTF
- QUARTZCTF1
- SPEEDYCTF
- Q3WCP4


Ok may be we can remove 3 or 4 too small or not professionnal maps. I need other opinions to choose maps to remove..

Quote (MIOW)
- if oasago2 won't be removed or replaced by remake or restricted for often usage, more than a half of matches gonna be played
played on this map. Makes sense to have 21 maps on mappool then

Hm. It is mathematicaly impossible : there is 3 maps to play by match. I really don't think everyone will choose OASAGO everytime. BTW, I remind you that we'll have 56 matches PER CHALLENGE. It is great to let large choice of maps to don't let the league going boring.

Other important comment :
We need to keep a MAXIMUM of OpenArena maps... Not let only Q3 maps.

 
a_clownDate: Thursday, 2010-03-11, 2:20 PM | Message # 67
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Hey,

Quote (Darkal)

Everyone is equal. It will show adaptation skills on maps.

This is not about equal or not, less maps will make the games better! When you remove sound everyone is equal, noone has sound, but the game sucks hard.

Quote (Darkal)
Ok may be we can remove 3 or 4 too small or not professionnal maps. I need other opinions to choose maps to remove..

- BRICKYARD (its small imo)
- OA_REPTCTF3-A3 (pleassse)
- AM_MCKINLEYISH2-A2
- SPEEDYCTF
- OASAGO2J (bad items, just shoot and run)
- MAPEL4B

and then transform mlctf and ps37 into the newer version smile


 
MIOWDate: Thursday, 2010-03-11, 2:39 PM | Message # 68
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I agree, when teams are adapting, both to play and to watch is less enjoyable than when they know map well.

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JonasDate: Thursday, 2010-03-11, 3:14 PM | Message # 69
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ye, delete all the OA maps from the pool and call the League: Q3 League 2010..

so pls.. give a reason to delete this maps from the map pool?
oasago2j9 should be in the map pool. Everyone know and like oasago, the map is played every day.
With speedyctf and ps37ctf its the same. And did you ever played maps like mkbase or q3wcp4? both are very nice maps..
i dont understand why the maps should not be in the map pool.. and MIOW, you are not alone here.. here are some other OA Clans who dont want to play just the maps you like..

But otherwise you are right, but you cant delete so much OA Maps from the pool. ~15 maps would be enough i think.

 
MIOWDate: Thursday, 2010-03-11, 3:51 PM | Message # 70
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ye, delete all the OA maps from the pool and call the League: Q3 League 2010..

I asked to remove only 2 OA maps.

Quote (^H4L-Jonas)
oasago2j9

There's no such map as oasago2j9. oasago2j is remake of oasago2 by a_clown and Joki. You see, one of original authors of this remake doesn't want to see it in the league. Many people on this forum vote for removing it as well http://oa-cl.ucoz.org/forum/59-177-1

Quote (^H4L-Jonas)
With speedyctf

Too small.

Quote (^H4L-Jonas)
and ps37ctf

I suggested to replace it with the newer version. Same did a_clown. Please, read more careful.

Quote (^H4L-Jonas)
And did you ever played maps like mkbase or q3wcp4? both are very nice maps..

I was one of the first to play mkbase in OA. Actually RN guys popularized it. Fun map, but it's too small and not serious. Invisibility on CTF map? C`mon biggrin

Quote (^H4L-Jonas)
and MIOW, you are not alone here.. here are some other OA Clans who dont want to play just the maps you like..

Please, calm down. Everyone is free to share his opinion here, including people from other OA clans.

Quote (^H4L-Jonas)
But otherwise you are right, but you cant delete so much OA Maps from the pool. ~15 maps would be enough i think.

Why 15? And not 666?


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a_clownDate: Thursday, 2010-03-11, 4:17 PM | Message # 71
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Lets take this league to the next level, we just need 1337 maps!
Post your map-suggestions here!

MIOW: yes inv sucks on ctf, but maybe we can lock it?




Message edited by a_clown - Thursday, 2010-03-11, 4:22 PM
 
DarkalDate: Thursday, 2010-03-11, 4:22 PM | Message # 72
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Following to your advises, I selected 10 maps to vote.
http://oa-cl.ucoz.org/forum/59-213-1

- You can choose several answers.
- 4 or 5 maps who take most votes will be removed before the start of matches.

- About OASAGO, don't worry I didn't forget. I hope you read Grism's opinion about it. Anyway, we'll probably replace OASAGO2J by GOD version. But I didn't forget happy

 
MIOWDate: Thursday, 2010-03-11, 4:25 PM | Message # 73
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I dunno maybe there're some reasons why you consider ps37ctf better than ps37ctf3 but mlctf1beta should be replaced by newer version and shouldn't be on that poll I think wink

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protiDate: Thursday, 2010-03-11, 5:25 PM | Message # 74
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Quote (^H4L-Jonas)
And did you ever played maps like mkbase or q3wcp4?

yea, good im not claustrophobic, otherwise i would get stroke. Playability of those maps is on ZERO degree.

Quote (^H4L-Jonas)
ye, delete all the OA maps from the pool and call the League: Q3 League 2010..

Ye, honey, and what about Sago2 League 2010 ? Would be cute, hm ? heart

Quote (^H4L-Jonas)
here are some other OA Clans who dont want to play just the maps you like..

I like those maps too... so go, and tell it to them.

Quote (Darkal)
4 or 5 maps who take most votes will be removed before the start of matches.

Thanks Darkal, you are good man. Respect.

Quote (Darkal)
We need to keep a MAXIMUM of OpenArena maps

Ofc. Problem is, there are two or max. 3 playable natural OA maps... no way, oa community has to domesticate q3 maps. This league is the first step to start new age.

Anyway, respect from me to all League 2010 staff. Keep it going smile

Thanks for attention.


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SilverDate: Thursday, 2010-03-11, 8:21 PM | Message # 75
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ah i see a big discussion about the mappool

mh i think the best is a mix between q3 maps and most played maps in oa like oasago (new version or old, its not the problem)

to miow --> nice miow u delete all maps that are nice or good to play, but u have right that q3 maps needed to the mappool,but not only q3 maps !!!!
i think, if u dont play normal oa maps like ps37ctf, oasago.. or speedyctf go to q3 and play there in the league

about maps like mkbase or q3wcp4 --> nice maps and i think big enough to play on a 4 vs 4

mkbase -->

Code
I was one of the first to play mkbase in OA. Actually RN guys popularized it. Fun map, but it's too small and not serious. Invisibility on CTF map? C`mon biggrin

-->miow i think its big enough to play
if u say its small, u need glasses wink

@ darkal nice decision

remove from mappool:

- BRICKYARD
- OA_REPTCTF3-A3
- AM_MCKINLEYISH2-A2
- MAPEL4B

 
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